+2 Lucky Week (And Kinky Wrestling) – Back in Rural U.S.

6 dates with 6 different girls in the span of 7 consecutive days! (Caveat: you only see the tip of the spear–overnight successes aren’t quite overnight; this is the culmination of a lot of work on my part to have enough of the good text skills and little enough of the bad to set up this many dates and run them well.) Writing this post is a win, but several posts are still overdue (Krakow, Riga, and Amsterdam) for the long stretches of what felt like little-to-nothing. I don’t want to pretend this is all a rosy picture, but I know from reading several of RedQuest’s relationship updates how interesting and entertaining it can be to read these kinds of success posts about the most interesting of topics¹. Tinder and Hinge have finally delivered on their sales promises for once.

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• First, +1 from a long-time lead on Tinder in my home area. I first fingered her over a year ago in the back of my car (see the “6” I mentioned near the end of this post, who I’d now see as a 5.5 in looks), back when I just lost my virginity. I’ve come quite a ways, but I’m still corny and cringe a lot of the time and I’m slow/hesitant to escalate. I stutter and overthink, and then overthink about my overthinking, even when in awesome situations where the stars align like the last of these stories (foreshadowing). Got the notch in the one logistical area I’ve carved out some privacy that’s not my car, followed by making lunch and driving her home.

Being in a rural area sucks. Daygame and nightgame are nonexistent. Social circle is crippled. Online dating, the only feasible option, is pitiful at best*.

Move ASAP if you live rural. Move to a big city.

Applying this advice myself—currently stuck in Nowheresville.

— NightRoller (@NightRollerGame) September 21, 2023

• Next, 1 coffee date on Tuesday with a cutish girl. Not much to say here other than she mentioned she’s not really into physical touch off the bat. Part of me wants the challenge of getting close to her, but looking back, I’m more inclined to drop her. She hasn’t been very forthcoming about her schedule or to set up a second date until a couple weeks from now, but has provided a valid reason for it. We’ll see how it goes.

• 2 coffee dates on Friday; one of them was with a cute girl I vibed quite well with. Nerdy, somewhat quiet/awkward in an endearing way, self-aware, asked me questions more than I asked her, and I calibrated by asking her questions directly instead of assuming she’d volunteer her input. Liked the neck kiss I gave her. Date 2 at hers scheduled for next week. Feels like one of the type of girl who usually likes me who I’m confident I can close, on the upper cusp of my ability to the point I will probably want to keep seeing her regularly if she’s receptive to my advances.
• The other coffee date was very socially awkward and not well-kempt and kind of reminding me of a fish, not blinking much and not really having much tension in the air through our eye contact. Strong smell when she sat down and teeth stains kind of dissuaded me from prioritizing her, though her schedule is free this week; I’ve planned a date with her soon but she’s going to be a low-end FwB if that.
• Finally, stood up by a third girl for a planned Friday “video game date”, which she apologized profusely for missing and heartily agreed on the idea of meeting in person to game instead of the video game date (I was only half feeling the video game date but was curious to give it a shot; I paid and downloaded it because it was one I wanted to play eventually^tm anyway), but still hasn’t gotten back to me on her schedule for². As I’ve learned from practice and from Playing with Fire’s texting examples, patience usually pays off, so I won’t be pushing her with several messages in a short span of time, and I won’t book calendar details until it’s a confirmed date.

• 1 coffee date Saturday, even cuter than her pics on Tinder and really cool, felt good about her. Date scheduled for hers next week, but need to confirm her address and, if possible, some food preferences. Cute, short, big ass, a pretty normal girl with a bit of an ego, out of my comfort-zone in what I’ve had reference experiences with. She talked about opinionated politics too much. I awkward-bluntly told her we’ve talked about politics a lot on this first date, and “while I find it interesting and would love to continue some other time, I’d like to learn other things about her instead”. Was difficult to turn on the non-platonic sexual tension during this date. I managed to fumble through by talking about some of my interests sexually in a general, albeit non-smooth, fashion (hoping also to screen her out if she was a total prude). She seems like she doesn’t have a lot of actual sex experience, a yellow flag. Proceeding with cautious interest but if she does put out I’m up with an ongoing thing with her

The Part You Came To Read

• +1 with a girl just yesterday (Sunday) from the Fet app, which is usually dismal or slow (but lets you message girls without having to match first, similar to PoF but actually designed for a phone and actively moderated to remove bots and spammers–I could share some of my strategies for this particularly janky, weird app-that-sometimes-precipitates-gold if there’s interest). In this case I needed out and rolled the nat-20-level positive outcome: awesome sex with a high-libido kinky pagan girl who physically couldn’t have kids and had a thing for breeding.

For reference, this is now my default mindset when it comes to sex (I quoted it once before in this post):

You should be thinking: “I am going to give this girl a great experience, she is going to feel comfortable, and interested, and cared for, I’ll pace where she is at sexually, I’ll read her, I’ll respond to what I see she needs, she’ll feel that response (specifically), we’ll move forward as she is ready… and of course great sex will be part of that. ” Do that… and never go any faster than it takes for her to feel all of that from you.

Nash, but I can’t find which article to link, so here’s an applicable one

That’s what I took along for the ride here, but there wasn’t much to calibrate to. I was horny, she was horny, I showed up and wasn’t weird, things got physical. She’d never met a guy from the Fet app before, somehow.³

• I was so excited after this sexperience that I was typing in runon sentences to some of my mentors that night. She looked decent in her photos, but when I drove to meet her, she looked like a high school wet dream in person, with a fantastic personality and respectable ENM BF to boot⁴. She eben dressed in a bottomless outfit for me⁵. She was incredibly hot in bed and a 7 or 8 in looks–hot enough I didn’t bother keeping track. Her makeup (not much, but the things that do it for me) and her bubbly-yet-intelligent, amiable personality made a difference in her presence in photos online vs in person.

• Plus she was a switch. Oh, boy was she a switch. She loved being tossed around or pinned down (something I need to work on more with help from the gym!) only slightly more than she enjoyed turning the tables and doing the same to me.

• I can’t satisfy her every kinky appetite, but because of her BF, I didn’t need to–I did everything I could remember learning or practicing, including light touches, nail rubs, asking whether she likes a certain thing, telling her my weaknesses, feeling the thrill like a rollercoaster when she sprung up from my grasp and pinned me down, literally wrestling at one point⁶ when the idea of CNC came up, talking dirty to her, and many other things.

• I tried new things I hadn’t before. She’s far more experienced than me, with over a decade to my >1 year having sex, so I took the chance to learn things while giving her as much pleasure as I can. She mentioned to me today the following day that she was thinking about Sunday night all day long. Honestly, it was one of the best experiences I’ve had in the bedroom of two switches having the grandest time turning each other on, rivaling even the memorable times I had with the Nerdy Nympho and the Seductress Girl.

This post doesn’t really capture how awesome it felt in the moment, having sex with an active girl instead of a shy one scared of her sexuality⁷.

“Ohmygoodness, am I even alive right now? I hope she’s not judging me for not knowing what to do now that I have her pinned by the neck. Holy shit her tits are so hot. Wow her body just makes me want to gobble her up somehow. I want to save this memory into a literal video format and replay it at will. This is life lived to the fullest. Mmm I love when she moves her lips like that. Oh, she just grabbed my neck and got on top! What’s going to happen next! Will I let her stay up her long, or wrestle her back down!? Why isn’t sex a sport–if sometimes done casually, there should be competitive! Oh my gosh I’m so lucky to be having sex with this inspiring sexy girl whose boyfriend is literally just arriving home and consents to her playing like this. I love teasing these tits, I wonder if she wants me to twist/suck harder.”

Yes, this is your window into NightRoller’s ape mind while in the middle of sex. I love sex, and now even my conservative family has begun to notice in my mannerisms and habits.

• With a breeding kink and inablity to have any (more) kids⁸, so she invited me to cum inside her. (Having already ensured we’re both disease free and recently tested over text) I did inside her, twice. Now I worry if I’ll be able to come using condoms again. She had 3-8⁹ orgasms, over two rounds of sex, in the first time we met. I want to invest in one of those special pills because for the second round, we kept having to give my rod extra attention to make it usably firm. That gave me more practice at giving orders like “suck my cock” when she reminded me that she liked the assertiveness.

• Several times she mentioned how she thought I was nerdy-cute, much cuter in person than my photos online, and sweet (and other compliments that my crumbling past insecurity managed to make me forget already). The kicker was the 2 times she said she was surprised I’m still single, which bodes well for my future dating prospects if a confident girl¹⁰ I find this attractive is fucking me and asking me why I’m not in a relationship yet. #eligiblebachelor

• I have a ways to go when it comes to being assertive/leading in bed/throwing the girl around, but this girl was patient and wouldn’t judge me as I fumbled as long as I was doing enough right for the both of us. Kind of reminded me of some of the stories RedQuest had with Peaches on his blog. I also want to become even more muscular to better lay her out in bed for both our delight and pleasure >:)

• From YouTube videos by Andy/KillYourInnerLoser, I had heard that brattiness is more of a playful kind of dynamic, with teasing, and I had never experienced that in an actual sex session before I did in this one. Now I know what real brattiness can be like, and as far as teasing and playful brattiness (not insulting or rude per se, tone of voice conveys the subtext) goes, I LOVE IT. This may be the submissive side of me coming out, but I loved the teasing and wanted more and more (until she got bored and I took control accordingly).

• I plan to meet her again eventually, but after sex this good sleep is alluring. Bit of a long drive¹¹ but she made it well worth the time and effort. Her BF was pretty cool too as far as dudes go¹². I may decide to get into swinging and MFMs at this rate!

Quick Recap

That’s 6 dates in 7 days, 2 of which turned into sex. And I live in the middle of NOWHERE! 30 minutes to the nearest small city, 20 to the nearest town, 15 to the nearest “village” (as Europeans would call it).

I’m very lucky this week, and better than usual at capitalizing on luck when it appears. That is, I tend to see it as getting lucky, but where putting in positive effort makes me lucky more of the time or tips the odds of a great date with a low flake rate even higher.

It’s not pure luck, that’s for sure. But having this much success in a single week in this area is lucky, with sub-par dating apps to thank (could it be that the pictures I had taken in Europe, specifically Krakow [link when I eventually write that post], are helping put me at the top of guys in my area?).

This is an example of abundance, and even a couple days since having experienced that fantastic sexcapade I notice a nonchalance boost in my interactions with women. It feels like I don’t mind if most or all of these semi-decent leads disappear, though I’ll continue with my current “bumfuck-nowhere” system to cultivate them. I’m honestly aiming for a longer-term (but at least partly open) relationship, get experience, beat my old record of 5-6 weeks. And for the foreseeable future (the next 2 weeks), it looks like my schedule will be relatively full of cute girls. From a certain point of view, I’m living a fantasy¹³.

Keep Rolling,

– NightRoller

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1. Duh, sex! Did you expect me to say bunnies? ↩︎
2. Note: She and I are texting on this as I write. Could actually sift a real date out of this, and she is pretty cute in the “girl next door” kind of way in her Tinder pictures. Several others who show initial interest drop off randomly though, as I’ve had happen with about 3 of the leads I converted to phone text from the apps this past week and a half, so “wait and see” is the name of the game. ↩︎
3. I found out during intra-round conversation that every other guy so far has ghosted her, some even saying “five minutes away” while not actually showing up (she texted me the day before that she’d like it if I texted her if I couldn’t make it instead of ghosting or blocking). It’s probably quite the torment for such a libidinous girl, so just by doing the bare decent minimum plus having semidecent game I was able to be one of the best out of the hundreds of messages she got daily. ↩︎
4. On this, she had several rules for me to follow with her set up by her primary partner for her safety. Most of them didn’t come up at all, but one was the desire to keep things NSA and no emotional attachments, just wild animalistic abandon as an outlet for this high-libido girl. But that also means beyond basic aftercare I don’t have to worry about keeping up after her, or making sure she’s satiated. She’s horny enough she wanted me to return the following night, though I didn’t have the time or energy. Being Ethically Non-Monogamous seems like it fits her well though, very congruent to her psychology and habits. ↩︎
5. Apparently she first tried doing a shibari dress but couldn’t get it together because she was so excited ↩︎
6. Obligatory footnote where I gush about how damn fun it was to have this playful tussle dynamic, where each of us would be trying to get the other caught. We were both quite horny and having a good time so it quickly devolved into her showing me another fun sex position ↩︎
7. Or a starfish for that matter ↩︎
8. Yes, I found out she’s not just my fantasy’s wet dream turned up to 11, she’s also a MILF ↩︎
9. (it was rather unclear but I know she came at least 3 times) ↩︎
10. who, I might add, I found inspiring in character and communicative ability, plus the added fun of her liking corny mid-sex jokes as much as I ↩︎
11. (not that long for the area I live comparatively yet long by normal standards) ↩︎
12. And this girl mentioned she was a mess before she met her “Daddy”, who helped her put her life in order. She’s smart as is, but it reminded me of the concept I’d heard that “good girls aren’t found, they’re made”. This one was made very well and I want to be the kind of guy building up a girl or girls like that in the next five or so years. This kind of human mutual improvement through sex or a relationship or, otherwise, mentorship, is an ideal of mine.
    So a cool guy not only in personality, but by the fruits of his actions. ↩︎
13. Other parts of my life are falling behind somewhat however: gym, career, business ↩︎

Daygame Coaching Experience Review: Thomas Crown, Riga (In-Person)

Lead-Up

I had some awesome coaching a week ago with Thomas Crown in Riga, Latvia.

I’d come across Tom’s website while binge-reading articles across the internet about seduction artistry.

He wasn’t coaching then, and I didn’t vibe with his site (maybe because it didn’t have pictures of pretty girls like Krauser’s—haha!—but in all fairness, my bullshit detector was set on a hair-trigger by potentially gimmicky sites when I couldn’t tell beneficial/true game advice from detrimental/uninformed fantasies, and only had my academic website research experience to go on).

Recently I heard Tom’s name a couple times from Breeze when we went out in Krakow, and Breeze said Tom was one of the best lads he knew for Daygame.

So when I heard Tom would be doing coaching in Riga (having heard good things about the city from guys like Joe the photographer), I saw the opportunity to see Riga and learn in person.

During the intake call, where we confirmed my status as a beginner¹, Tom seemed like a relaxed, cool guy, like a knowledgable patient uncle, assuaging my fears and previous worries based on his website’s look.

We met in person the day before the actual coaching, letting us ease into it. That meeting proved a useful experience; I learned how fishing for evening sets “works” as I observed Wolfe Daygame and Tom do sets and identify the approachability of the travelers and lovely Latvian girls passing by. I mused how this is one rare hobby when we hope not to see each other again soon when we part² ways.

Concepts I’d never discovered up until this meet arose while we talked and occasionally greeted the affable passerby. Considering how “approachable” a girl might be to an approach, based on how she’s dressed and how she’s walking, isn’t something I considered seriously³ until after sharing beers with Tom and Wolfe. Related is the concept of experience vs. status girls, mentioned in a later section.

Neither idea is pertinent toward the question of who I should approach right now (I’m a beginner and I ought to gain more daygame experience with all kinds of girls), unless I find myself in conditions where I can afford to be picky (an environment with too many sets)⁴.

Coaching Proper

The coaching was relaxed and felt low-pressure. As a beginner who’d heard the phrase “London Daygame Model” (or LDM) but never formally studied it, Tom and I found it instructive for him to explain concepts while we walked around between sets that I noticed, or that he pointed out. He was open to letting me do sets as I saw them or giving me a boost, whichever I preferred. I weaseled out of a lot of possible sets, however.

Tom is authoritative but leads in a non-authoritarian way. It was easy to see he’d be good with girls before I even saw him open a set (though he demonstrated a few times when he got a strong signal of interest from a girl—time in set he makes up later, to give the mentee his full paid time). This is a good sign to me, for a coach. It’s also an attitude I’d like to adopt.

Tom gave on-point feedback for my sets, and much of the feedback was along similar veins, cumulating into sticking points we later discussed. As someone who’s seen plenty⁵ of daygame breakdowns and read plenty⁶ of material on what constitutes “good” game, I recognized that the sticking points were on the money—sometimes I’d ask why, or be momentarily confused by the precise phrasing Tom used (I’m American, he’s a London guy), or in the case of some new concepts (like the status vs experience girl archetypes) need further explanation, most of it fit within the framework of what I already understood as “necessary” or “important” for game, with a few surprises⁷.

Tom sent me notes he took that included some personalized points for me to work on, in addition to practicing a proper Daygame model (albeit a simple one). Tom’s coaching, for me as a beginner, as well as for others in the beginner or intermediate phases, is useful not only for the coaching itself, but the trajectory that follows from feedback. I have a starting point, specific parts to work on, a specific simple model⁸, and a plan for what I’ll do when I return home to the ‘States in a figurative desert of set-less-ness. I will, over time, add nightgame to daygame.

Tom talked about all kinds of things and it was really cool for me to get to ask a daygaming coach specific questions about lifestyle and game. It seems a large part of what leads me into further interest and engagement with this community is talking with the cool guys I meet along the way about game, life, work, and so on, not merely my personal interest in getting good at spreading legs. I hope I’m not motivated “too much” by desire to be part of a community—but that’s likely part of it. Writing my player blog has been marvelous and you should write one too.

I want to live game as a lifestyle, and, knowing how slow change can be, I’m learning more and more that choice of job, desire to build one’s own business, where one lives, hobbies one indulges or nurtures, preferences for venue, and the kinds of experiences all factor into what kind of lifestyle game one could build. There’s no single right answer, but finding jobs that allow for flexibility and leaving work at work seem like good starting points to avoid being broke/having no time to practice cold approach.

Outside of coaching, Tom was also warm and open to inviting me along to other things like grabbing a beer—an almost mythical mundane experience, intriguing because of its novelty to me, where for many in this space it may be a regular occurrence. Tom was an enabler of future success, moreso than a mere in-the-moment mentor. I respect—and I’m greatly appreciative to—him for that.

Some of his feedback focused around my energy in the start of a set: I should come in excited, and calibrate to about one level higher than the girl’s energy, and not be so laid back like a guy who doesn’t care. I should ask some basic get-to-know-you questions and use assumptions to get into them. Too many questions feel like an interview, but cold reads are fun. I need to stop her with dominant presence rather than having a weak or half-hearted open. I need to avoid going into the conversation until I’ve stopped her fully, using body language and strong eye contact to focus on her. I need to get close enough that the moment feels intimate and touch isn’t a giant leap, and I can be less stiff by moving around, especially with an arm or hand.

Most of this post has been focused around my experience of Tom’s Coaching as opposed to the coaching itself, so to rectify that…

In Summary

The coaching is more than I expected from a game coach, and Tom cares about helping you towards your goals, calibrating his coaching to your experience level. To someone who had about 300-350 lifetime approaches, and generally a beginner with no lifetime lays, Tom gave me pertinent advice not only for daygame but other areas of life. Overall, Tom’s a cool guy and someone worth getting instruction from if you’re looking for a coach in Europe and plan to be one of the areas he’ll be in on his trips, or in London.

Caveats: if you think the seduction arts can be played as a sideline sport or without putting your ego on the line, this coaching won’t be for you. If your ego is too big to accept advice or act on it, or you’re only in the U.S. (or on some non-Europe continent), I wouldn’t recommend Tom so much as more accessible options closer to home. Or if Online or Nightgame or social circle game is all you care about, this probably won’t help you towards those ends.

But for those living in Europe who now sit on the fence, whether intermediates looking to move past long-time sticking points or newbies who haven’t even started approaching, I’d recommend this guy as a good option to get you on the right track for Daygame.

“My Notes” from mid-experience

I wrote a lot of notes during the coaching, too many to put here. Some are straight out of the advice Tom gives to the beginners he coaches, while others are my own insights or paraphrasing.

• Books to add to my to-read list: Daygame Nitro, Daygame Mastery, Daygame Infinite (only when I’m deep intermediate) (All by Krauser), Daygame, Street Hustle (Tom Torrerro)
• Make the simplest approach possible and practice it while working on the important non-verbals
• Get her to STOP before going into the opener
• Think of the simplest set like a sandwich: opener-content-close, bun-filling-bun
• Push-pull matters less than fundamentals -> fundamentals first, be forward in the meantime
• I AM TALKING TO THIS GIRL BECAUSE I WANT TO PUT MY SAUSAGE IN HER HOTDOGBUN
• Don’t bother with a 100-set day, it’s more likely to lead to burnout and be spam approaching than if you did 20 in one day or 100 in a week. 30 sets a week for a year is more consistently doable
• If a girl says she’s not interested or has a BF, it’s worth trying a second time by ignoring and continuing, then calibrating off if she says so a second time
• For a cool multi-country travel plan, I could try alternating Serbia for 3 months then Poland for 3 months to balance my visa logistics (90 day limit in the EU)
• Homework exercise: Record sets, put aspects (like studies economics, is blonde, went to college, is from France, etc.) I hear about the girl onto note cards, then put 3 jokes on the other side, and try to recall those + add new jokes when I think of them, so I build up a repertoire I can bring out in the middle of a set
• Homework exercise 2: make a color-word association mental bank
• Use subtle cues like eye contact matched with physical touch in the right moments to signal covertly that you want to fuck her, when you can, instead of overt
• status vs experience girls – applicable for daygame, not something worth worrying about for online – status girls being girls who care a lot about their status and e.g. how they are seen by others, and experience girls being more focused on having experiences and caring less about fitting into the status hierarchies by e.g. dressing well (I don’t think I did a good job of explaining it, but this is the basic premise and I know Krauser explores more of it, according to a recent tweet by Nash)

When I (someday) visit London, I hope to hit these guys up and hang out on the streets, picking up girls, talking about game, and enjoying the experience more than feeling nervous about my ability to live up to the daygame spirit.

Keep Rolling.⁹

1. albeit with some piecemeal theory bouncing around in the head ↩︎
2. i.e. someone’s going to try their luck on a set ↩︎
3. Though Breeze seemed to do the same ↩︎
4. Though the experience/status scale and judging which sets are more viable seem to be useful distinctions to train myself on. I’ll “build my intuition” for them, as the mathematically inclined might say. ↩︎
5. read: too many ↩︎
6. read: too much ↩︎
7. no, my knowledge isn’t perfect even after reading most of RedQuest’s prolific blog and dozens of videos and articles promising to explain aspects of picking up/attracting/seducing women ↩︎
8. one of my difficulties in the past has been not knowing what to say in the set and hoping I can cold-read something on the spot; I’ve read Nash’s post on using logistics as your “stack” i.e. to build the conversation before, but I sucked at implementing it and the model Tom gave me to practice relieves that pressure and satisfies the basic logistic questions at the same time ↩︎
9. I wonder if, given my proclivity towards writing reviews here after getting coaching, this blog could become more useful as a “reviews” or verification resource than actual seduction arts advice… but nobody was coming here for my game insights anyway (right? …if you were, you should read Nash and RedQuest, and if you’ve got the time, give Thomas Crown’s website a look). I want to eventually get Karisma King and/or A.G. Hayden’s coaching (Nightgame) input, and will write a review here if I do so. Maybe I’ll get Nash’s coaching at some point, I heard he started doing so recently—but first, I want/need to take action on what I’ve already learned, and make progress with that. ↩︎